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15:49:51 <heflin> Hi Dan
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15:51:01 <DanCon> wow... IRC works from italy, Jim?
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15:54:01 <jhendler> dan - where you been, we've been ircing and chumping on rdfig for a couple of days
15:54:48 <DanCon> do you expect to have IRC and phone during the telcon?
15:55:08 <jhendler> what is good is that we've set it up so we can irc and still call 
15:55:18 <jhendler> yup
15:55:45 <jhendler> there may be delayes in the chat - don't count on it being real-time - we get occasional "block outs" for a few minutes
15:58:01 <jhendler> dan - weird phone problem - Ian's phone provided thinks "#" means end call, and we cannot do the code for zakim - is there another way to solve this?
15:58:08 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has now started
15:58:15 <Zakim> +John.Stanton
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15:59:05 <Zakim> + +1.484.892.aaaa
15:59:22 <jhendler> zakim, aaaa is jeffH
15:59:23 <Zakim> +JeffH; got it
15:59:42 <Zakim> +NickG
15:59:57 <Zakim> +??P31
16:00:23 <DanCon> er... dunno about # problem, Jim
16:00:43 <Zakim> +Marwan.Sabbouh
16:01:01 <jhendler> thanks - we're going to try direct call (bridge says one can use *0 for an operator, but it isn't working)
16:01:36 <Zakim> +DanC
16:02:14 <Zakim> +M.Smith
16:02:37 <Zakim> -M.Smith
16:02:38 <Zakim> +Evan.Wallace
16:02:52 <Zakim> +??P35
16:03:17 <jhendler> iswc group having trouble - cannot figure it out yet - will keep trying
16:03:19 <Zakim> +??P0
16:03:22 <Zakim> +M.Smith
16:03:25 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?
16:03:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see John.Stanton, JeffH, NickG, ??P31, Marwan.Sabbouh, DanC, Evan.Wallace, ??P35, ??P0, M.Smith
16:03:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmg, pfps, jhendler, heflin, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanCon, logger_1
16:04:15 <jhendler> zakim, who is here uniquely
16:04:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is here uniquely', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:06:02 <jhendler> we are on holdwaiting for an operator at MIT - have been for a while - music is awful
16:06:10 <jhendler> DanC anyone we can ping?
16:06:13 <DanCon> MIT operator? how did you get that far?
16:06:18 <DanCon> oh; I guess I see.
16:06:49 <Zakim> +??P1
16:06:54 <pfps> its ok now
16:07:17 <DanCon> Zakim, ??P1 is ISWC
16:07:19 <Zakim> +ISWC; got it
16:07:33 <DanCon> Zakim, ISWC holds JimH, IanH, PeterPS, Guus, DebM, MikeD
16:07:34 <jhendler> zakim, ISWC has guus, jim, deb, mike, ian and peter
16:07:34 <Zakim> +JimH, IanH, PeterPS, Guus, DebM, MikeD; got it
16:07:36 <Zakim> +Guus, Jim, Deb, Mike, Ian, Peter; got it
16:08:09 <Zakim> + +1.781.271.aabb
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16:08:35 <DanCon> Zakim, where is 781?
16:08:36 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.781 is Massachusetts
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16:08:41 <Zakim> +??P5
16:08:47 <jhendler> regrets from Ruediker, frank, davidT, and jeremy C (who is on the beach)
16:08:51 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?
16:08:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see John.Stanton, JeffH, NickG, ??P31, Marwan.Sabbouh, DanC, Evan.Wallace, ??P35, ??P0, M.Smith, ISWC, +1.781.271.aabb, ??P5
16:08:54 <Zakim> ISWC has Guus, Jim, Deb, Mike, Ian, Peter
16:08:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see mdean, libby, nmg, pfps, jhendler, heflin, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanCon, logger_1
16:09:36 <Zakim> -John.Stanton
16:09:40 <DanCon> Zakim, DeRoo, Eschelman, Buswell, Obrst are here too.
16:09:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'DeRoo, Eschelman, Buswell, Obrst are here too.', DanCon.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:09:53 <libby> I'm here...
16:10:02 <Zakim> +John.Stanton
16:10:22 <DanCon> 1.1 scribe: Hefflin volunteered in 6Jun telcon
16:10:40 <heflin> 1.3 review minutes
16:11:07 <DanCon> pls add 1.x ftf update
16:11:09 <Zakim> +??P7
16:11:10 <Zakim> + +1.850.202.aacc - is perhaps PatH?
16:11:31 <heflin> ter Horst just joined
16:12:09 <heflin> 1.5 Action continued. Jeremy Carroll access pending
16:12:25 <heflin> 1.6 continued?
16:13:14 <heflin> 1.7 Next Meeting: Chaired by Guus
16:13:16 <jhendler> JimH and Guus will release f2f agenda in near future - hope to do it in both RDF and English 
16:13:24 <heflin> Scribe will be Larry Eschelman
16:13:32 <DanCon> 18. ftf update.
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16:13:44 <DanCon> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/ftf3.html
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16:14:06 <heflin> many regrets. 11 not registered yet
16:14:24 <DanCon> phayes2. hmm.
16:14:34 <Zakim> +??P6
16:14:44 <heflin> phayes: will be present at F2F
16:15:43 <heflin> Guus: telecon on 2nd day
16:15:58 <pfps> telecon 9am (to 9:45 or so) PDT
16:15:58 <heflin> Danc: on to Issues
16:16:06 <jhendler> telecon at 9AM Pacific time - second day of f2f 
16:16:12 <DanCon> http://www.w3.org/2000/11/msm/showv.php3?wgid=30310&qno=n5.11
16:16:18 <heflin> 2.1 hasClass/toClass
16:16:26 <DanCon> clear preference for allValuesFrom, someValuesFrom
16:17:23 <DanCon> RESOLVED: allValuesFrom, someValuesFrom
16:17:48 <heflin> Issues 4.1 UniqueProp, 3.4 UnambiguousProp
16:18:59 <heflin> hayes: doesn't like 1tomany, manyto1. Less readable in subject property object style
16:19:14 <heflin> hayes: prefers hasOnlyOne, IsTheOnlyOne
16:19:30 <jhendler> isn't 1tomany illegal XML
16:20:04 <heflin> sorry shorthand: oneToMany is what the proposal is
16:20:24 <heflin> dean: current names are terrible
16:20:40 <heflin> Ian: proposes that we leave it longer
16:20:52 <heflin> DanC: Leave issue open
16:21:10 <heflin> Agenda Item 3: Documents
16:21:19 <heflin> 3.1 Compliance Level 1
16:21:33 <heflin> deb: had meeting in Sardinia
16:22:19 <heflin> Had trouble hearing Deb's points. Can someone transcribe to log?
16:22:59 <DanCon> DEB!
16:24:01 <heflin> Deb: will be available in two days
16:24:05 <jhendler> Deb says - 1) One document called "feature review" that contains all language features in a short synopsis
16:24:27 <jhendler> that document asap, but not by Monday
16:24:36 <heflin> folks are willing to review document in only one week
16:24:54 <Zakim> +Jonathan.Borden
16:25:16 <jhendler> Deb says 2) proposed level change is to change cardinality to be a bit simpler, but rest like her document
16:25:27 <jhendler> possible names "owl lite" and "owl"
16:25:50 <DanCon> 17Jun + 1 week = 24 Jun, which is one week prior to the ftf, 1-2Jun.
16:26:21 <heflin> debc: where to draw the line? reduced cardinality.
16:26:28 <jhendler> 3) pfps/ian will do a document called "formal specification" which is the abst syntax document
16:26:29 <DanCon> nifty. (cardinality 0/1)
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16:26:48 <jhendler> 4) mike dean to do OWL reference document (syntax)
16:27:17 <heflin> debc: compliance level 1 not called feature synopsis
16:27:23 <DanCon> == 3.2 DAML+OIL update
16:27:43 <heflin> s/debc/deb
16:27:44 <DanCon> "OWL Syntax synopsis"
16:27:48 <DanCon> MikeD to edit.
16:28:08 <DanCon> not clear what the name/title is
16:28:38 <DanCon> MikeD: 17Jun is likely.
16:28:47 <DanCon> == 3.3 Feature Synopsis of the OWL Ontology Language
16:28:55 <jhendler> we used name  ofthat document "OWL v 1.0 Reference Document" on last week's telecon, assume that is still what this is
16:29:42 <DanCon> Peter: this is now just "abstract syntax"
16:30:48 <heflin> Peter: Final version available Jun 17
16:30:52 <DanCon> ACTION PeterPS: "abstract syntax" draft for ftf 17Jun.
16:31:34 <heflin> terHorst: Has already reviewed as well
16:31:49 <DanCon> what's in the agenda as an action on Jos should be HermanT: review feature synopsis. pretty much done.
16:32:08 <heflin> Peter: believes one outstanding issue with ter Horst review
16:32:22 <heflin> 3.4 Requirements Documents
16:32:29 <jhendler> JimH agreed to review that document
16:32:36 <heflin> available for review
16:32:55 <DanCon> ACTION JimH and DanC will review as well.
16:33:01 <jhendler> DanC said he would review if (and only if) it contained a diff.
16:33:08 <DanCon> ACTION PatH: to review requirements
16:33:13 <DanCon> ACTION Welty to review.
16:33:39 <DanCon> == 3.5 XML Presentation Syntax
16:34:16 <DanCon> PeterPS: I've seen a few comments... from De Roo, Borden.
16:34:44 <heflin> Borden: clarifying concern about rdf:ID as a qname
16:34:47 <DanCon> Borden: rdf:ID="xsd:integer" <- rdf:IDs don't take qnames.
16:35:11 <heflin> Borden: Please use something other than rdf:ID
16:36:03 <heflin> jim: document cannot be incompatible with published standards before working draft status
16:37:49 <heflin> Borden: 1) need to do a good syntax. 2) when reusing a name, must use it as it was used before
16:38:47 <DanCon> ACTION JeffH to review continues. pending "actual syntax" draft.
16:38:57 <DanCon> ACTION RaphaelV to review continues.
16:38:57 <jhendler> zakim, iswc also contains raphael
16:39:00 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
16:39:00 <heflin> hayes: call it pps:id or something not rdf:id
16:39:30 <DanCon> ACTION PeterPS: draft for ftf Monday, 17Jun.
16:40:01 <Zakim> -??P5
16:40:02 <DanCon> ---- AOB
16:40:05 <heflin> Evan: UML Presentation Syntax
16:40:11 <heflin> Evan: version done by June 24
16:40:25 <heflin> ACTION: Evan: Presentation Syntax by 24 June
16:41:21 <heflin> Hendler: Propose topic for F2F to Hendler or Guus by Monday morning
16:42:38 <DanCon> --- ISWC update
16:42:44 <DanCon> PFPS won best paper.
16:44:02 <Zakim> -M.Smith
16:44:12 <DanCon> Fla Oct 2003 <- where/when for next ISWC. suggestion.
16:44:44 <Zakim> -Marwan.Sabbouh
16:44:52 <Zakim> -Evan.Wallace
16:44:53 <Zakim> -??P35
16:44:55 <Zakim> -??P0
16:44:56 <Zakim> -??P31
16:44:57 <Zakim> -John.Stanton
16:44:58 <Zakim> -PatH?
16:44:58 <heflin> Meeting Adjourned
16:45:01 <Zakim> -??P6
16:45:01 <Zakim> -NickG
16:45:01 <Zakim> -??P7
16:45:02 <Zakim> -ISWC
16:45:03 <Zakim> -DanC
16:45:05 <Zakim> - +1.781.271.aabb
16:45:08 <Zakim> -JeffH
16:45:09 <Zakim> -Jonathan.Borden
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16:47:09 <DanCon> logger_1, pointer?
16:47:10 <logger_1> See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/webont/2002-06-13#T16-47-09
16:47:14 <DanCon> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:47:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2002/06/13-webont-irc#T16-47-14
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