19:01:43 RRSAgent has joined #xmlprotocol 19:02:06 PaulC has joined #xmlprotocol 19:05:14 zakim, who is here? 19:05:16 sorry, DavidF, I don't know what conference this is 19:05:17 On IRC I see PaulC, RRSAgent, marc, Zakim, Noah, DavidF, caribou, Yves, Loggy, Henrik 19:05:21 zakim, this is xmlp 19:05:23 ok, Yves 19:05:29 zakim, who is here? 19:05:30 On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, ??P2, PCotton, ??P4, ??P6, ??P5, Herve, ??P8, Fallside, Yves, ??P11, Carine, ??P12, ??P13, +1.480.552.aaaa, DMarston 19:05:32 On IRC I see PaulC, RRSAgent, marc, Zakim, Noah, DavidF, caribou, Yves, Loggy, Henrik 19:05:51 +JinYu 19:06:35 zakim, how many people are here? 19:06:38 I don't understand your question, DavidF. 19:09:12 +Ellen.Perlow 19:14:15 newbie has joined #xmlprotocol 19:14:55 So the syntax is "ACTION: xxx", is that right? 19:14:57 msg &sysreq that will be enough, thanks 19:15:20 email pb was apparently a size limit of the attachement 19:15:22 Huh? Yves, was that a response to me 19:15:40 noah: no I was dealing with the email problem 19:15:52 OK, notes are crossing. Sorry 19:16:12 OK, thank you! 19:16:42 Agenda review 19:17:33 Yeah, I got that. Do I also log completed actions, or does that go in scribe_mh's log of the minutes? 19:18:01 i think you get to do that bit 19:18:14 ...fine, and the syntax with which I do it is? 19:18:18 it does not go to the minutes anyway 19:18:39 OK. I'll just informally type it in. 19:18:59 AOB 19:19:55 1. DF: LC announce draft sent out - comment to the list please 19:20:38 2. DF: GETF resolution, TAG has requested resolution email to be sent to their public list - need volunteer to produce resolution email 19:21:23 DF: woudl prefer to get this done this week, but early next week is probably OK 19:21:45 NM: volunteered 19:21:59 JI: volunteered 19:22:05 PC: volunteered 19:22:55 DF: version posted to WG prior to TAG, no comments within a day, send to TAG 19:22:57 ACTION: Noah, John Ibbotson, Paul Cotton...draft resolution text for RPC to TAG mailing list. Mail to protocols WG for 1 day review 19:23:26 Review of last weeks minutes 19:23:37 Accepted without change 19:23:51 Action items 19:23:59 EDITORS: Pending 19:24:09 MarkB: Pending 19:24:17 Editors: Done 19:25:03 Lynne & Anish: Done 19:25:03 -JinYu 19:25:28 Editors 19:25:28 Redirect non editorial issues to last call issues list 19:25:35 NOT DONE 19:25:44 MarkB 19:25:45 Prompt WG to do thorough review of media type draft by mid-june so that it can be submitted before July 1st. 19:25:46 PENDING 19:26:03 Editors 19:26:03 Fix 5.5.1 to say MAY ONLY or something like that, to better reflect the spirit of issue 194 resolution that can be tested as an assertion 19:26:05 DONE 19:26:13 Lynne & Anish 19:26:15 Publish new test collections doc over this w/e 19:26:23 DONE 19:26:28 DavidF 19:26:28 send the issue closing text to xmlp-comment (issue #36) 19:26:30 DONE 19:26:36 DavidF 19:26:36 Chat with Mark B to figure out what to say about ID in LC announce 19:26:45 Email sent, awaiting reply. Mark DONE. 19:26:50 PC: requests big attachments to go to www-archive and then send pointer - more friendly to the bandwidth challenged 19:27:16 Agenda item 5 19:27:43 DF: decided last week on document suite, now need to see what needs to be done to each to get to LC 19:28:05 SOAP 1.2 Pt 1: 19:28:37 HFN: new status, upodate namespace, remove chnage log, remove diffs colouring 19:28:52 HFN: all apply to Pt2 as well 19:29:10 Actually, I think he said there's probably no coloring in pt1 19:29:34 DF: also update member list 19:32:04 DF: some people have contributed a great deal recently, names that spring to mind include Chris, Stuart, Noah 19:32:12 MH: where do we draw the line 19:32:16 + +1.617.896.aabb 19:32:17 +??P15 19:32:32 DF: editor would also be expected to do the less glamorous stuff 19:33:21 +??P18 19:33:32 MH: alternate, add new section of significant contributors 19:34:01 NM: is willing to undertake editorial tasks 19:34:39 DF: take offline, general consensus that we should recognise significant contributors 19:35:01 HFN: does this apply to other docs ? 19:35:03 zakim, mute ??P18 temporarily 19:35:05 ??P18 should now be muted 19:35:06 ACTION: DF to take consideration of expansion of editor list to email for resolution 19:35:20 ??P18 should now be unmuted again 19:36:22 + +1.734.747.aacc 19:36:36 bad echo halts play temorarilly 19:37:49 DF: how long will the 5 chnages take 19:37:55 editors: 2 days 19:38:02 ACTION: Editors (by Friday) take care of the "five items" (color marking of changes out, change log out, etc.) 19:38:13 SOAP 1.2 Pt2 19:38:23 DF all of the 5 for pt1 19:38:33 DF: 185 ednote 19:39:00 ACTION=3: Editors (by Friday) take care of the "five items" (color marking of changes out, change log out, etc.) in parts 1 and 2 19:39:31 DF: 185 resolution ednote may need editing - tests WG understanding of ednote 19:40:20 HFN: understanding is: leave as is or take out 19:41:17 DF: should clarify ednote: add "based on this feedback the WG may decide to remove generics ina future version" 19:41:54 Proposal regarding 185: either to keep 'generics' asis or to drop it altogther. No tweaks 19:42:00 DF: +"of this specification" 19:42:04 camilo has joined #xmlprotocol 19:42:20 Agreed 19:42:36 Please unmute me!! Is there an action resulting from what we just did on generics? 19:42:45 DF: HTTP 202, 204 19:42:46 I am muted 19:42:50 How do I unmute? 19:43:06 zakim, who is muted? 19:43:07 I see ??P0, ??P2, PCotton, DMarston muted 19:43:12 zakim, unmute ??P0 19:43:13 ??P0 should no longer be muted 19:43:15 zakim, unmute ??P2 19:43:16 ??P2 should no longer be muted 19:43:26 it should be ok 19:43:28 I am talking 19:43:34 +PaulD 19:43:35 I'm trying 19:43:36 zakim, unmute DMarston 19:43:37 DMarston should no longer be muted 19:44:11 zakim, mute ??P0 19:44:11 zakim, mute ??P2 19:44:13 ??P0 should now be muted 19:44:13 ??P2 should now be muted 19:44:23 ACTION: update ednote on generics. 19:46:24 NM: proposed text is friendly amendment to text from CF 19:46:45 HFN: can live with, both need to be updated to reflect GETF resolution 19:47:00 - +1.617.896.aabb 19:47:03 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2002May/0102.html 19:47:11 is NM's amendment 19:47:49 MH: last paragraph needs editing in respect of GETF 19:48:11 CF's original http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2002May/0095.html 19:48:12 +??P17 19:48:39 NM: propose we adopt [12] with small tune up to reflect GETF changes 19:49:39 HFN: 2nd para talks specifically about RR MEP, should add the response MEP 19:49:43 NM: agrees 19:50:07 DF: we need to see the modified version of the text 19:50:32 Specific changes are to add reference to new response MEP, and also last paragraph and take out mention of GET 19:50:47 DF: NM wil send email, editors will add to doc on the assumption that it is OK 19:50:58 ACTION: Noah, by end of day Thurs, draft text changes to update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2002May/0102.html 19:51:29 HFN: aside 202 and 204 removed from table ? 19:51:42 MH: agrees 19:52:28 NM: agrees 19:52:51 DF: table 17 is where the chnage need sot be made to remove 202 and 204 19:52:52 ACTION: editors, remove from table 17, part 2, indication that we support http codes 202 and 204 19:54:47 HFN: proposes to delete appendix C 19:54:50 ACTION: Editors, delete part 2 appendix C and all references to it 19:54:53 no dissent 20:01:21 RRSAgent has joined #xmlprotocol 20:01:35 Nilo: will send - most comments included 20:02:09 ACTION: (repeated for log) Nilo. update primer for namespace, change log, colors, members list (needs member list from David) 20:02:29 DF: does group want more time to review chnages to primer re GETF 20:02:31 ACTION: (repeated for log) DF resolve status section, especially with respect to PR intentions, etc. 20:02:52 no response 20:02:57 Yves: was the earlier pre-crash log lost, or do we have both? 20:03:13 DF: if you have any comments on primer, send in by end of week 20:03:31 the log should be on the web already, and current msg will be appended 20:03:47 ACTION: DF send email to working group on comment on primer 20:04:06 Assertions and test collection 20:04:24 anish: doc include feedback from henrik and don mullen 20:04:39 anish: also major cleanup of all tests 20:05:05 anish: added list of header blocks, body blocks used by test collection 20:05:31 anish: GETF changes not included 20:05:51 anish: request to be CCed on email with new namespace 20:06:45 anish: to do: namespace change, GETF, status 20:08:05 DF: where is doc wrt getf 20:08:07 ACTION: Henrik send stylesheet to Anish 20:08:10 anish: not done 20:08:32 df: what plans for including GETF 20:08:40 anish: can start on Fri 20:09:21 DF: how long will it take 20:09:27 anish: 1.5 days 20:09:39 DF: would more people help ? 20:09:43 anish: yes 20:11:24 JI: volunteers to work out changes to assertions due to GETF 20:11:43 DF: what else can we do to expedite 20:12:19 anish: most time consuming is looking at chnages and working out test modifications 20:12:36 david, I am muted and cannot be heard. 20:12:40 DF: volunteers to help with that 20:12:51 I have a comment on the tests can someone please tell david f. 20:12:55 silence 20:13:17 s/volunteers/asks for volunteers/ 20:13:40 Can someone please request that PaulC be unmuted? 20:13:52 zakim, who is muted? 20:13:54 I see PCotton muted 20:14:01 zakim, unmute PCotton 20:14:02 PCotton should no longer be muted 20:14:25 zakim, mute DMarston 20:14:26 DMarston should now be muted 20:14:27 PC: what kind of tests are we thinking of adding for GETF 20:14:51 DF: don't know, but we need to do due dilligence 20:15:29 zakim, unmute DMarston 20:15:31 DMarston should no longer be muted 20:15:51 PC: would a test be " a client makes a request and gets a SOAP envelope" ? 20:16:09 anish: need to look at assertions and think about it 20:17:22 NM: no difference to existing tests, could assert that the should be a resource that responds appropriately to a GET and add tests around that 20:19:12 anish: could we do something around an RPC that takes no args 20:19:33 NM: slippery slope 20:20:22 DF: any other issues re test collection ? 20:21:08 ACTION: Anish, by Monday, update test collection to reflect RPC/GET, etc. 20:21:33 DF: look for updated do on Monday, does WG want time to look it over ? 20:21:58 DF: version we see on monday will be the LC 20:22:18 Requirements Document 20:23:48 DF: recalls previous discussion, doesn't think there is anything to do on it. need someone to take on task of making a LC version 20:23:55 no volunteers 20:24:07 DF; volunteers to do it 20:24:13 ACTION: DF work with Bob Lojeck to bring Requirements doc into last call condition (presumably mostly boilerplate) 20:24:16 Usage Scenarios 20:24:53 JI: nothing substantial to be done, just status type boilerplate 20:25:29 DF: ready by end of week ? 20:25:44 JI: provided boilerplate is ready - yes 20:25:49 Email binding 20:26:24 HM: no substantial changes required, should be ready by end of week 20:26:39 DF: different status - work with Yves and Carrine 20:26:58 Media Type draft 20:27:16 DF: not part of our W3C output as such 20:27:32 DF: unclear what else needs to be done 20:28:02 HFN: put up on our server and add ref from home page, also some edits outstanding 20:28:23 HFN: need to decide when to issue a new draft 20:29:53 DF: will email MB again 20:30:32 Document list completed 20:30:32 ACTION: DF to email Mark Baker (if anyone knows how to phone him, please contact David) 20:31:16 DF: is WG ready to request LC once all changes above have been made 20:31:22 silence 20:31:26 YYY..YES...SSS!!! 20:32:05 DF: take silence as assent, we will then go ahead with LC once chnages are made 20:32:05 DF: without dissent, we agree to go to last call once the changes discussed today have been made. 20:32:10 PlanetFred phone number (613) 789-1818 20:32:32 Were we looking for a US number for MarkB or is the problem that he's traveling? 20:32:48 -??P11 20:34:10 Discussion of checking WDs against guidelines 20:34:23 Yves will send out pointers 20:35:01 NM: are W3C staff aware of our near LC status 20:35:04 ACTION: Yves: Send out pointers to WD guidelines and document validators 20:35:26 DF: has sent email to W3C - no responses yet 20:36:15 PC: need to get permission to make patent disclosures public 20:36:46 Can we agree on the namespace URI prefix now? The last WD used "http://www.w3.org/2001/12"? 20:36:48 ACTION: DF get agreement from members to make their "disclosures" public 20:37:02 2002/6 ? 20:37:05 I guess it should be "http://www.w3.org/2002/06/..." 20:37:39 sounds good to me 20:37:48 who will update the schemas? 20:38:11 And someone has to supply the text at the end of the Namespaces? 20:38:34 Since they have to be resolvable (according to the W3C). 20:38:50 I'll copy the one used for the current namespace 20:38:57 copy/update 20:39:42 ACTION: Editors (arguably a dup of action above) update various schemas to refer to the right namespaces 20:40:21 ACTION: to W3C staff, to appropriately name files such as schemas so that URI's do resolve to a resource 20:41:12 ACTION = 11 to W3C staff, to appropriately name files so that namespace URI's do resolve to a resource 20:41:38 henrik: http://www.w3.org/2001/07/pubrules-form 20:41:45 henrik: http://www.w3.org/Guide/Pubrules 20:42:03 PC: discuss feedback on LC call ? 20:42:12 DF; do, will do it via email 20:42:21 s/do/no 20:42:29 yves, thanks - please send to WG list as many of the other editors are not on IRC today 20:42:51 yep, it's just to have them on the log, easier to track down again :) 20:45:31 adjourned 20:45:32 -??P13 20:45:33 -??P12 20:45:35 -??P1 20:45:37 -??P8 20:45:38 - +1.480.552.aaaa 20:45:38 -DMarston 20:45:40 -Herve 20:45:40 -??P15 20:45:41 - +1.734.747.aacc 20:45:43 -??P2 20:45:44 -Fallside 20:45:45 -??P5 20:45:47 -??P17 20:45:50 -??P6 20:45:51 -PCotton 20:45:53 -PaulD 20:45:56 -??P18 20:45:57 -Yves 20:46:00 -Ellen.Perlow 20:46:01 -??P4 20:46:03 -Carine 20:46:09 -??P0 20:46:10 WS_XMLP()3:00PM has ended 20:47:08 zakim, list actions 20:47:10 I see no active conferences 20:48:55 rrsagent, what are actions 20:48:56 I'm logging. I don't understand 'what are actions', DavidF. Try /msg RRSAgent help 20:49:05 rrsagent, what actions 20:49:05 I'm logging. I don't understand 'what actions', DavidF. Try /msg RRSAgent help 20:49:10 rrsagent: actions? 20:49:10 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'actions' 20:49:16 rrsagent: list actions 20:49:16 I see 11 action items: 20:49:16 ACTION: (repeated for log) Nilo. update primer for namespace, change log, colors, members list (needs member list from David) [1] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-02-09 20:49:16 ACTION: (repeated for log) DF resolve status section, especially with respect to PR intentions, etc. [2] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-02-31 20:49:16 ACTION: DF send email to working group on comment on primer [3] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-03-47 20:49:16 ACTION: Henrik send stylesheet to Anish [4] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-08-07 20:49:16 ACTION: Anish, by Monday, update test collection to reflect RPC/GET, etc. [5] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-21-08 20:49:16 ACTION: DF work with Bob Lojeck to bring Requirements doc into last call condition (presumably mostly boilerplate) [6] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-24-13 20:49:16 ACTION: DF to email Mark Baker (if anyone knows how to phone him, please contact David) [7] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-30-32-1 20:49:16 ACTION: Yves: Send out pointers to WD guidelines and document validators [8] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-35-04 20:49:16 ACTION: DF get agreement from members to make their "disclosures" public [9] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-36-48 20:49:16 ACTION: Editors (arguably a dup of action above) update various schemas to refer to the right namespaces [10] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-39-42 20:49:16 ACTION: to W3C staff, to appropriately name files such as schemas so that URI's do resolve to a resource [11] 20:49:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-40-21 20:51:27 it should be ok now 20:52:55 Zakim has left #xmlprotocol 20:52:58 I see 11 action items: 20:52:58 ACTION: (repeated for log) Nilo. update primer for namespace, change log, colors, members list (needs member list from David) [1] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-02-09 20:52:58 ACTION: (repeated for log) DF resolve status section, especially with respect to PR intentions, etc. [2] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-02-31 20:52:58 ACTION: DF send email to working group on comment on primer [3] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-03-47 20:52:58 ACTION: Henrik send stylesheet to Anish [4] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-08-07 20:52:58 ACTION: Anish, by Monday, update test collection to reflect RPC/GET, etc. [5] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-21-08 20:52:58 ACTION: DF work with Bob Lojeck to bring Requirements doc into last call condition (presumably mostly boilerplate) [6] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-24-13 20:52:58 ACTION: DF to email Mark Baker (if anyone knows how to phone him, please contact David) [7] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-30-32-1 20:52:58 ACTION: Yves: Send out pointers to WD guidelines and document validators [8] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-35-04 20:52:58 ACTION: DF get agreement from members to make their "disclosures" public [9] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-36-48 20:52:58 ACTION: Editors (arguably a dup of action above) update various schemas to refer to the right namespaces [10] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-39-42 20:52:58 ACTION: to W3C staff, to appropriately name files such as schemas so that URI's do resolve to a resource [11] 20:52:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/06/12-xmlprotocol-irc#T20-40-21