IRC log of xmlprotocol on 2002-06-05
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- present marcH, henrik, yves, david, highland, markB, chris, noah
- 15:07:26 [chris]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2002Jun/0022.html
- 15:07:36 [DavidF]
- agenda+ go thru noah doc
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- agenda+ responsibilities of a node
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- agenda+ name of MEP
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- agenda+ status discussion
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- agenda?
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- attendees+ jean-jacques
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- agenda+ marcH's issues
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- agenda 1 marcH's issues (do first)
- 15:13:37 [DavidF]
- can we handle them as we go thru the doc?
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- or are they not location specific in the doc?
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- agenda=4 marcH's issues (do first)
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- agenda 5 = marcH's issues (do first)
- 15:18:34 [DavidF]
- thnx!
- 15:21:59 [chris]
- replace GET, PUT, POST, DELETE with references to definitions in RFC2616
- 15:22:01 [DavidF]
- resolved: (sec 6.4) replace GET, PUT etc defns/descriptions with a statement they are defined in HTTP spec
- 15:24:26 [Ralph]
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- 15:24:41 [DavidF]
- question re. sec 4.1.1, when carrying info both in URI and msg
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- mh: questions re. which takes precedence? error handling for each? etc
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- 15:29:26 [chris]
- q+
- 15:38:06 [Henrik]
- replace SHOULD/MAY with could/might etc.
- 15:38:37 [chris]
- agreed
- 15:39:50 [chris]
- keep examples in gthe primer
- 15:39:57 [chris]
- s/gthe/the/
- 15:40:00 [Henrik]
- +1
- 15:42:40 [Henrik]
- We should a placeholder in the primer for discussing RPC vs. the Web examples
- 15:45:10 [chris]
- +1
- 15:45:53 [Henrik]
- Suggest saying that "wherever possible, parameters identifying a resource should be encoded in the URI"
- 15:46:00 [chris]
- +!
- 15:46:05 [chris]
- +1
- 15:46:25 [DavidF]
- resolved: add a statement that the spec is not meant to imply that resources be identified to the nth degreee, and there is no specific rule for at what level resources be identified
- 15:46:29 [chris]
- s/possible/practical/ ?
- 15:47:56 [Henrik]
- ok
- 15:48:57 [Henrik]
- Remove the sentence: Such arguments MAY be redundantly carried as method arguments in the SOAP body (see 4.2.1 RPC Invocation.). We should put something to this effect into the primer
- 15:49:00 [DavidF]
- resolved: delete "Such arguments MAY be redundantly carried as method arguments in the SOAP body (see 4.2.1 RPC Invocation.) Thus, in the example above, the PartNumber and an indication referencing the QuantityInStock resource SHOULD be encoded in the URI. Either one or two arguments (I.e. either the newQuantity or both the partNumber and the newQuantity) SHOULD be encoded as arguments in the SOAP body. The SOAP 1.2 recommendation (this specification)
- 15:50:37 [DavidF]
- resolve: add examples to primer showing use of uri and info in msg
- 15:50:39 [DavidF]
- agenda
- 15:50:42 [DavidF]
- agenda?
- 15:51:42 [Henrik]
- Change "MAY" to "SHOULD" in "Underlying protocols designed for use on the World Wide Web provide for manipulation of resources using a small set of Web methods such as GET, PUT, POST, and DELETE. Bindings to such underlying protocols MAY use the Web Method Specification Feature to give applications control over the Web methods to be used when sending a SOAP message.
- 15:51:42 [Henrik]
- "
- 15:53:56 [Henrik]
- Drop the forward reference of the MEP "one-way-pull" to the GET stuff in the HTTP binding
- 15:55:13 [chris]
- resolved: Drop the forward reference of the MEP "one-way-pull" to the GET stuff in the HTTP binding
- 15:55:41 [Henrik]
- With edits, proposal is fine
- 15:55:55 [chris]
- +1
- 15:56:12 [Henrik]
- if we can get edits in today then we can review tomorrow and talk about it to WG today
- 15:57:17 [Henrik]
- Can we get it to the tag EOB tomorrow?
- 15:58:28 [chris]
- are we considering edits as the comments (editorial) in the various responses to date (henrik, chris, marc) plus what we resolved today?
- 15:59:19 [Henrik]
- ?
- 15:59:30 [chris]
- ??
- 15:59:47 [Henrik]
- davidf to put together a couple of sentences about what we were thinking and send it around.
- 16:00:01 [Henrik]
- chris, I didn't understand your comment?
- 16:00:30 [chris]
- what I was trying to understand is what we meant by edits for this round before we make this public
- 16:00:47 [jjm-lap]
- noah, I know the XML, but can't help tonight
- 16:01:03 [Henrik]
- I can help
- 16:02:21 [jjm-lap]
- noah, I've sent some comments as well by email
- 16:02:41 [Henrik]
- noah and henrik to go through editorial nits
- 16:04:29 [jjm-lap]
- henrik, will you update the stylesheet on Gudge's CVS with Noah's?
- 16:04:46 [Henrik]
- think they are the same
- 16:05:02 [jjm-lap]
- no, he (at least) changed the green
- 16:06:45 [Henrik]
- ok
- 16:14:56 [Henrik]
- we will stick with "SOAP response" as name
- 16:15:13 [Henrik]
- we will take question about clarification in section 2 to email (which is already the case)
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- meeting adjourned
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- rssagent, excuse us
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- zakim, excuse us
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- rrsagent, excuse us
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- 19:32:34 [Yves]
- zakim, this is XMLP
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- ok, Yves
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- +Yves
- 19:32:45 [Yves]
- zakim, who is here?
- 19:32:45 [Zakim]
- I see +1.781.377.aaaa, ??P1, ??P2, ??P4, +1.949.380.aabb, Fallside, ??P3, ??P7, ??P8, +1.303.791.aacc, Chris.Ferris, +81.72.723.aadd, Yves, ??P13
- 19:32:53 [JacekK]
- zakim, ??p13 is probably me
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- +JacekK?; got it
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- +??P12
- 19:33:03 [Yves]
- it's raining keys on the phone
- 19:33:04 [JacekK]
- zakim, mute JacekK temporarily
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- JacekK? should now be muted
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- +M.Champion
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- JacekK? should now be unmuted again
- 19:33:23 [JacekK]
- zakim, mute JacekK
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- JacekK? was already muted, JacekK
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- + +33.2.23.40.aaee
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- +Carine
- 19:34:52 [DavidF]
- zakim, who is here?
- 19:34:54 [Zakim]
- I see +1.781.377.aaaa, ??P1, ??P2, ??P4, +1.949.380.aabb, Fallside, ??P3, ??P7, ??P8, +1.303.791.aacc, Chris.Ferris, +81.72.723.aadd, Yves, JacekK? (muted), ??P12, M.Champion,
- 19:34:55 [Zakim]
- ... Carine, +33.2.23.40.aaee
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- +??P15
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- + +1.626.428.aaff
- 19:35:58 [JacekK]
- zakim, JacekK is really me
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- +JacekK; got it
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- +??P18
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- -??P2
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- +??P2
- 19:37:12 [JacekK]
- zakim, unmute JacekK
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- JacekK.a should no longer be muted
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- zakim, mute JacekK
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- JacekK.a should now be muted
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- +DMarston
- 19:39:10 [JacekK]
- probably same telephone line confusing zakim
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- -??P1
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- + +1.770.702.aagg
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- +??P1
- 19:41:33 [scribe]
- agenda+ Approval of May 29 telcon minutes [0] (12.40 + 5)
- 19:41:35 [Noah]
- I checked with the David Marston who is at IBM...he is not dialed in to Zakim
- 19:41:45 [scribe]
- agenda+ Review action items, see [1] (12.45 + 5)
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- + +1.480.552.aahh
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- HFN: you push the little number buttons
- 19:42:03 [scribe]
- agenda+ Status reports. In general, reporters should be able to describe what is
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- still on their to-do lists, and what is their plan for completing those
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- to-do's. (12.50 + 15)
- 19:42:11 [Henrik]
- there are so many :(
- 19:42:28 [scribe]
- agenda+ GETF report (1.15 + 30)
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- agenda+ Shall we publish the Part 1 and Part 2 documents [2] and [3] as WD's?
- 19:42:55 [scribe]
- agenda+ Comments against Test Collection docs (1.45 + 15)
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- agenda+ LC decisions(2.00 + 30)
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- agenda?
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- zakim, agenda?
- 19:44:00 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Approval of May 29 telcon minutes [0] (12.40 + 5) [from scribe]
- 19:44:01 [Zakim]
- 2. Review action items, see [1] (12.45 + 5) [from scribe]
- 19:44:03 [Zakim]
- 3. Status reports. In general, reporters should be able to describe what is [from scribe]
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- 4. GETF report (1.15 + 30) [from scribe]
- 19:44:06 [Zakim]
- 5. Shall we publish the Part 1 and Part 2 documents [2] and [3] as WD's? [from scribe]
- 19:44:07 [Zakim]
- 6. Comments against Test Collection docs (1.45 + 15) [from scribe]
- 19:44:08 [Zakim]
- 7. LC decisions(2.00 + 30) [from scribe]
- 19:44:25 [scribe]
- f2f host is Software AG
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- df: thinks that there may be some items in the minutes that should not go out for public consumption. if no objection, Yves and I will take action to remove them
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- df: minutes approved
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- agenda -1
- 19:46:13 [Yves]
- Editors: DONE
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- Editors: DONE
- 19:46:38 [Yves]
- Editors: pending( was first Editors AI)
- 19:46:42 [Yves]
- MarkB: Pending
- 19:46:51 [Yves]
- Yin Leng & PaulD: DONE
- 19:47:02 [Yves]
- Yin Leng: DONE