*** Norm has quit IRC (Quit: ) *** ht has joined #tagmem *** Vincent has joined #tagmem *** Zakim has joined #tagmem zakim, this will be TAG ok, ht; I see TAG_Weekly()12:30PM scheduled to start 24 minutes ago *** noah_lunch is now known as noah Meeting: TAG Telcon of 23 August 2005 scribe: Noah Mendelsohn scribenick: noah TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started + +1.781.860.aaaa zakim, +aaaa is me sorry, noah, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa' zakim, aaaa is me +noah; got it zakim, please call ht-781 ok, ht; the call is being made +Ht +Norm *** Norm has joined #tagmem zakim, who's on the call? On the phone I see noah, Ht, Norm chair: Vincent Quint + +33.8.71.75.aabb zakim, + is Vincent +Vincent; got it Topic: Attendance - should we have a call today? Present: Norm Walsh, Henry Thompson, Vincent Quint, Noah Mendelsohn, David Orchard (joined during call) +Roy Regrets: Dan Connolly, Tim Berners-Lee, Ed Rice s/Mendelsohn/Mendelsohn, Roy Fielding/ * Norm notes Noah's clever trick for editing the Present line :-) * noah only a trained computer scientist such as myself would even consider doing something like that *** Norm changes topic to 'TAG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Aug/0010.html' VQ: notes that attendance is limited VQ: suggests we have a short telcon with the five of us who are on the call VQ: need to ramp up ASAP in anticipation of Sept. F2F Topic: Agenda Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/08/23-agenda.html The agenda is at: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/08/23-agenda.html Topic: Next teleconference VQ: Regrets for next week? Noah: at risk for next week VQ: Roy, can you scribe next week? s/scribe/scribe?/ RF: Yes NM: Please let Dan know he's not needed for scribing next week s/NM/Noah/ VQ: will do Topic: Minutes of previous telcon VQ: Dave Orchard was the scribe for 12 July. Anyone know where the minutes are? ...(silence)... VQ: will try and contact Dave. Topic: Sept. F2F Planning HT: Making arrangements for dinner with principal and dean of college at University. HT: need headcount for catering ASAP. Norm: what day is the dinner? HT: Tuesday the 20th, the first day of our meeting. For anyone who cares http://norman.walsh.name/2005/itinerary/09-18-tagxsl *** dorchard has joined #tagmem +Dave_Orchard David Orchard joins the call. * noah Vincent...you might want to ask Dave about the "missing" minutes Topic: Minutes of previous telcon (revisited) VQ: Dave, you were scribe for 12 July. Do we have them? DO: I responded in email. DO: Norm sent me a capture and I asked Henry yesterday if he could publish for me. HT: uh oh... HT: missed it. Will do tomorrow morning. Topic: Agenda for F2F Meeting * Norm notices VPN is down...goes to fix it *** Norm has quit IRC (Quit: ) VQ: Would like draft agenda ASAP. Please think about it. Send proposals please. WS-Addressing would be a good topic VQ: Any proposals to discuss now? *** Norm has joined #tagmem Norm: would be nice to get closure on namespace issue that Henry and ? and I have been discussing, and also namespacedoc-8 s/and ?/Dave Orchard/ s/Dave Orchard/and Dave/ DO: WS Addressing. I took an action to write up material leading to finding around stateful vs. stateless services. The two might be related. Hoping for progress soon. Noah: suggest we keep in mind schemeProtocols-49. Given feedback I got in June, I don't think we yet have a sense of whether TAG members think this issue is a good use of time. Sooner or later we'll have to either up the priority or drop it. For now, I'd leave it off the F2F agenda, maybe add later. VQ: will send note to group asking for agenda items. Scribe notes that Vincent's action is recorded below in the "Grid" section because we forgot to start rrsagent. * noah Is RRSAgent active? I don't see the action being recorded. *** RRSAgent has joined #tagmem logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/08/23-tagmem-irc * Norm drat. no. * Norm Should be now Topic: Grid VQ: should we find another date for discussions of Grid? If so when? Norm: before or after F2F? That leaves 3 possibilities. VQ: Right, and notice for next week is short. Norm: day after US Labor Day may be risky VQ: Aim for the 13th? Noah: will we have time for grid and pre-F2F planning? VQ: well, we're expecting at least 2 experts, maybe 3. VQ: 45 mins would be tight? s/tight?/tight/ RF: it's fine Norm: seems fine. We could use as little as 1/2 hour for last minute f2f planning, rest for grid. Noah: sounds good VQ: confirmed. We'll invite the experts. Need some help from Noah getting Jay. ACTION: Vincent to contact grid experts for 13 Sept. Telcon. * RRSAgent records action 1 ACTION: Vincent Quint to prepare first draft of F2F agenda for 30 August telcon * RRSAgent records action 2 Topic: URI Registration Response to IETF See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Aug/0006.html -Vincent +??P3 Norm to scribe while Noah gives update on 2717bis/2718bis (http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-hansen-2717bis-2718bis-uri-guidelines-05.txt). scribenick: Norm Concern about discouraging things like the DAV scheme with only a single protocol zakim, ??p3 is Vincent +Vincent; got it Noah: Draft says, "new schemes should have general utility" and such Noah: Basically: the overall drafts are pretty good, they kind of hint at the issue but they don't hit it very hard zakim, ??P3 is vincent I already had ??P3 as Vincent, Vincent Noah: Question: do any of us want to write back and say "you could make this point a little more storngly" explaining the history &c, and webarch has good practice and deeper explanation Noah: I don't have a strong feeling, but that's as far as I got RF: I've been following it, but not since the most recent release of it RF: I'm sure advice to the effect of "please insert something to the effect of never do what dav did again" will go over well RF: at the time we advised them against it, and made a lot of noise, and they still went ahead and did it scribenick: noah RF: they might be receptive to suggestions that doing things like 'dav' should be more strongly discouraged * Norm stops scribing RF: some of the history was that this was done before xml namespaces were fully baked. * noah thanks Norm. RF: suspect most authors of WebDav know this was a bad approach DO: Now they'd use XML namespaces? RF: it had nothing to do with reluctance to use http: in principle. They wanted something that would operate whether or not namespaces were approved. Noah: who if anyone should comment on behalf of the TAG or otherwise? VQ: several people on TAG seem interested. If it's OK per IETF procedures, we could respond as the TAG. ACTION: Noah to draft text for review by the TAG on discouraging proliferation of schemes * RRSAgent records action 3 Noah: points out that the drafts seem to take a position pretty close to: a scheme name is associated with a particular protocol and a specific set of operatoins. Noah: I myself don't feel well enough informed to pursue this, but suggest other concerned tag members take a look. RF: I'll take a look when I get back next week. Topic: Review of selected action items VQ: Norm, I've seen your responses on selected actions VQ: I've seen 4 actions you claim to close, and am making the pertinent changes on the pending actions list Norm: I'll try and get to my others soon Noah: suggest you change my action on schemeProtocols-49 from "do a new draft" to "figure out what to do next" * ht has to drop off IRC for a reboot, sorry, will still be on the call *** ht has left #tagmem Noah: also, need email input from tag members on whether you think there's a good core issue in which we should continue to invest, or whether we should put this one down -Dave_Orchard VQ: We are adjourned unti next week -Roy -Ht -Norm -Vincent -noah TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended Attendees were +1.781.860.aaaa, noah, Ht, Norm, +33.8.71.75.aabb, Vincent, Roy, Dave_Orchard * noah Note: I will generated minutes from IRC log zakim, bye *** Zakim has left #tagmem rrsagent, bye I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/23-tagmem-actions.rdf : ACTION: Vincent to contact grid experts for 13 Sept. 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