The following are the meeting notes from the RDF Core subgroup working on the RDF Primer. The goals of this meeting included the initial review the rough draft and to establish shared context regarding scope, audience, structure and outline and related related documents that might be of interest. Further, to establish general agreement and shared context on these sections, and to begin to partition the work load in order to reach a mid-late Oct deadline for a public first draft.
Teleconference announcement, the meeting was held on 2001-09-27
The RDF Primer document that was discussed was:
http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-20010917 $Id: meetingnotes-20010927.html,v 1.4 2001/10/12 13:11:59 em Exp $
There was general agreement that there were at least 2 broad audience categories (1) end users that want to better understand the capabilities of benefits of RDF and (2) people that are building applications/sites/tools and want to better understand the details of RDF and more importantly how to use it now. General agreement seemed to target the people that "have 2 weeks to deploy something in RDF, how do I:
An elevator speech (1, 3, 5 min explanations) was agreed to be of use for the first category of people. Ora and Eric agreed to start working on this. Due to the fact that both are traveling next week, they agreed to have something available two weeks from the meeting date.
The wasn't general agreement on how to address the second category of people. Essays and the description of real world examples/scenarios of how/why RDF is being used was mentioned as possible appendices. Martyn agreed to write up his router example (possibly as a appendix in primer, but if not certainly as real world examples linked off the RDF home page). Bill and Eric talked about weaving a progressive Web Service in RDF example thought the document.
There was not enough time to talk about the specifics of the outline, however everyone seem to agree to support the general structure outlined in section 5.2 in http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-20010927. Further the following people have agreed to start working on the various portions of this section.
No future teleconference has been scheduled at this time.
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