Minutes of XML Protocol WG telcon, 14 January 2004

Based on IRC log of xmlprotocol on 2004-01-14

[ScrYves] Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2004Jan/0010.html

1. Roll
Present 11/8
BEA Systems, David Orchard
Canon, Herve Ruellan
IBM, David Fallside
IBM, Noah Mendelsohn
IBM, John Ibbotson
Microsoft Corporation, Martin Gudgin
Oracle, Anish Karmarkar
SAP AG, Volker Wiechers
Systinet (IDOOX), Jacek Kopecky
W3C, Yves Lafon
W3C, Carine Bournez

Excused
BEA Systems, Mark Nottingham
Canon, Jean-Jacques Moreau
Microsoft Corporation, Jeff Schlimmer
Oracle, Jeff Mischkinsky
SAP AG, Gerd Hoelzing
Systinet (IDOOX), Miroslav Simek

Regrets
DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech, Mario Jeckle
IONA Technologies, Seumas Soltysik
Nokia, Michael Mahan
SeeBeyond, Pete Wenzel
Sun Microsystems, Marc Hadley
Sun Microsystems, Tony Graham

Absent
DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech, Andreas Riegg
IONA Technologies, Mike Greenberg

2. AOB items: register to the TP!
[ScrYves] AOB item: Core request wrt XInclude
[ScrYves] Noah: the use of xinclude may lead to ambiguity while using our own remove that,
so there may be also a technical point, not just organizational one
[ScrYves] See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2004Jan/0023.html
[ScrYves] DavidF: does the WG want to endorse that email?
[ScrYves] DaveO: we may add a paragraph that explain the reason not to use xinclude
[ScrYves] DaveO: clearer than pointing at minutes
[JacekK] ACTION: DavidF to contact JMarsh to determine sufficiency of responses to date
and act appropriately

3. Minutes of last week approved without objection

4. Action items
[ScrYves] DavidF: Send a note WS-I, OASIS and soapbuilders ...
[ScrYves] DONE

5. Status
[ScrYves] -- media type registration
[ScrYves] anish: new ML is for XMLP/WSD task force, not for our mime type registration
[ScrYves] --- XMLP/WSD task force
[ScrYves] anish: not much traffic
[ScrYves] current proposal is quite similar to what's in PASWA

6. Attachments
Discussion of docs
[ScrYves] but Gudge's change is pending, only a matter of time
[ScrYves] DavidF: we may publish Miffy as a WD before end of January
[ScrYves] Noah: we have lots of issues to sort out, end result will be different from
what we have
[ScrYves] DavidF: LC means that you resolve the issues, a normal WD is subject to change
and issue list+WD together represent the state of the doc
[ScrYves] Noah: will publishing now will slow down our process?
[ScrYves] DavidF: better to handle them before LC
[ScrYves] DavidF: easier to get other groups to review the doc if it's a WD and not a
random draft on the WG space
[ScrYves] Gudge: did we publish something as a WD already?
[ScrYves] DavidF: yes, MTOM but not MIFFY
[ScrYves] Noah: do we have the new MTOM+MIFFY docs in sync? Should we publish them together?
[ScrYves] DavidF: good idea to publish at the same time, need to look at Herve's copy
to be sure they are in sync
[ScrYves] Gudge: herve did some edits to the spec very recently
[ScrYves] DavidF: monday COB PST is the limit to send comments to MIFFY/MTOM
[ScrYves] ACTION: DavidF to send to the member list MIFFY/MTOM publication plan and TODOs

[ScrYves] -- MIFFY name
[ScrYves] 7 names proposed
[ScrYves] 1 - OXPC
[ScrYves] 2 - COPX
[ScrYves] 3 - XBOP or XOP
[ScrYves] 4 - BOP4X
[ScrYves] 5 - BSX 
[ScrYves] 6 - XEBOP
[ScrYves] --
[ScrYves] OXPC - 0
[ScrYves] COPX - 2
[ScrYves] XBOP / XOP - 7
[ScrYves] BOP4X - 0
[ScrYves] BSX - 0
[ScrYves] XEBOP - 0
[ScrYves] And the winner is clearly XBOP or XOP
[ScrYves] XOP - 5
[ScrYves] XBOP - 4 
[ScrYves] XOP accepted
[ScrYves] DavidF: MIFFY is now officially replaced by XOP
[ScrYves] ACTION: Herve to do the change form MIFFY to XOP in the doc
[ScrYves] issue 445 is now closed with this resolution
[JacekK] ACTION JacekK to write the closing email for issue 445 and send to xmlp-comments
[ScrYves] Action to jacek done

Re. the following action, JacekK agreed with Noah's comments, and the WG agreed to let
the editor cratft text and insert it into MTOM
[ScrYves] ACTION: editors to incoroprate text resulting from jacek action (see http://www.w3.org/mid/OFCA010782.B1C0D322-ON85256E14.0057CBEB@lotus.com)

[ScrYves] -- issue 442
[ScrYves] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jan/0020.html
[JacekK] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jan/0037.html
[JacekK] my last proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jan/0043.html
[ScrYves] issue about the extensibility mechanism of the entity (now representation) header
[ScrYves] Jacek will send an email summarizing the proposals and counter proposal and define the extensibility
[JacekK] ACTION: JacekK to post a final proposal on Representation header (extensible) by 1/19

8. SOAP Rec Issues
[ScrYves] Issue 17
[ScrYves] proposal is to change form the canonical URI to the specific one
[ScrYves] Gudge: why do we need to add a sentence to the status section?
[ScrYves] DavidF: as we discussed in the last telcon, we wanted to clarify the status
of SOAP/1.2 wrt prior versions
[ScrYves] no objection from WG, proposed resolution accepted
[ScrYves] ACTION: Carine to implement the resolution of issue 14 in the errata and send email to xmlp-comments

[ScrYves] Jacek: when will we publish second edition?
[ScrYves] DavidF: happy to do it now, but prefer to wait to close the remaining issues before doing so

[ScrYves] --- ADJOURNED ---

[Zakim] Attendees were David_Fallside, Noah, JacekK, Gudge, Carine, Yves, DOrchard, +1.503.830.aaaa, Herve, David_Orchard, +1.503.830.aabb

[RRSAgent] I see 7 open action items:
[RRSAgent] ACTION: DavidF to ping Jonathan to check if responses received are good enough [1]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: DavidF to send to the member list MIFFY/MTOM publication plan and TODOs [3]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Herve to do the change form MIFFY to XOP in the doc [4]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: JacekK to write the closing email for issue 445 and send to xmlp-comments [5]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: editors to incoroprate text resulting from jacek action (see http://www.w3.org/mid/OFCA010782.B1C0D322-ON85256E14.0057CBEB@lotus.com) [6]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: JacekK to post a final proposal on Representation header (extensible) by 1/19 [7]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Carine to implement the resolution of issue 14 in the errata and send email to xmlp-comments [8]