W3C XML Protocol teleconference, 30 May 2001
1. Roll call
Present 44/38
- Data Research Associates Mark Needleman
- Intel Randy Hall
- Macromedia Glen Daniels
- Microsoft Corporation Paul Cotton
- Vitria Technology Inc. Tony Lee
- Active Data Exchange Shane Sesta
- Akamai Technologies Mark Nottingham
- AT&T Mark Jones
- AT&T Michah Lerner
- BEA Systems Jags Ramnaryan
- Canon Herve Ruellan
- Commerce One Jay Kasi
- Compaq Yin-Leng Husband
- DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech Mario Jeckle
- DataChannel Brian Eisenberg
- DevelopMentor Martin Gudgin
- Engenia Software Eric Jenkins
- Ericsson Research Canada Nilo Mitra
- Hewlett Packard Stuart Williams
- IBM Doug Davis
- IBM John Ibbotson
- IBM David Fallside
- IDOOX Jacek Kopecky (Scribe)
- Informix Software Charles Campbell
- Interwoven Mark Hale
- Jamcracker David Orchard
- Library of Congress Ray Denenberg
- Lotus Development Noah Mendelsohn
- Matsushita Electric Ryuji Inoue
- Microsoft Corporation Henrik Nielsen
- Mitre Marwan Sabbouh
- Mitre Paul Denning
- Philips Research Amr Yassin
- Propel Daniela Florescu
- Rogue Wave Murali Janakiraman
- SAP AG Volker Wiechers
- Software AG Michael Champion
- Sun Microsystems Marc Hadley
- Sun Microsystems Chris Ferris
- Unisys Lynne Thompson
- W3C Yves Lafon
- W3C Hugo Haas
- WebMethods Randy Waldrop
- Xerox Ugo Corda
Excused
- Compaq Kevin Perkins
- Active Data Exchange Richard Martin
- BEA Systems Dan Frantz
- Canon Jean-Jacques Moreau
- Commerce One David Burdett
- DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech Andreas Riegg
- DevelopMentor Don Box
- Engenia Software Jeffrey Kay
- Hewlett Packard David Ezell
- IDOOX Miroslav Simek
- Informix Software Soumitro Tagore
- Interwoven Ron Daniel
- Library of Congress Rich Greenfield
- Macromedia Simeon Simeonov
- Philips Research Yasser alSafadi
- Rogue Wave Patrick Thompson
- Software AG Dietmar Gaertner
- Unisys Nick Smilonich
- Vitria Technology Inc. Richard Koo
Regrets
- Bowstreet Alex Ceponkus
- Novell Scott Isaacson
- OMG Henry Lowe
- Oracle David Clay
- SAP AG Gerd Hoelzing
- Tibco Frank DeRose
- Tradia George Scott
- Tradia Erin Hoffman
Absent
- Bowstreet James Tauber
- Epicentric Miles Chaston
- Epicentric Julian Kumar
- Fujitsu Software Corporation Kazunori Iwasa
- Fujitsu Software Corporation Masahiko Narita
- Group 8760 Dick Brooks
- IONA Technologies Oisin Hurley
- IONA Technologies Eric Newcomer
- Netscape Vidur Apparao
- Netscape Ray Whitmer
- Oracle Jim Trezzo
2. Agenda review:
Approval of minutes postponed to f2f
Discussion on keeping issues in one list or having a separate list of
issues
that come from XML Schema members. Decided to take off-line and that
it
should be easy to merge the lists and thus only manage one list.
4. Agenda item no. 4: Action items:
1) still pending
2) left as pending
waiting for feedback
3) complete
4) left pending waiting for external response
5) complete with no indication of any responses from the lists
6) done
7) done
8) pending
9) pending
10) pending
11) done
5. Agenda item no. 5: Spec clarification issues
i23/4: SOAP forbids PIs and DTDs
MarcH: SOAP processors should discard such messages
wg agreed that it should fault
MarcH: will send a proposal for clarification of the spec language
i30: SOAP spec is unclear
DavidF will ping PaulC to elaborate on the issue, we'll leave i30
unassigned
i97: Base64
Henrik: two issues: (1) SOAP spec is clear that the line length does
not apply
(2) XMLSchema spec allows some translation
the issue might be this discrepancy
DavidF: I read the original issues differently - that SOAP may not be
clear --
and so there may need to be further clarification of the spec
DavidF: in addition, we need to coordinate with XML Schema
MartinG volunteered to coordinate with XML Schema group
6. Agenda item 6: Issues
i95 and i22:
MarkN: SOAPAction identifies a message as SOAP
it also identifies the "intent" of the message
I don't see need for such identification, propose to deprecate
SOAPAction
A proposal for an attribute identifying the very target of the message
The purpose for this is streaming
DavidF: two issues: 1) use of SOAPAction in http
2) need for targetting
Henrik reiterated the reasons for SOAPAction
Said that it would be wrong to incorporate the intent identification
into
the request URI, which Jacek proposed before
Henrik stressed that HTTP is an application protocol, not a simple
transport protocol; SOAPAction is trying to bind the HTTP language
and
SOAP language
ChrisF: what use of SOAPAction is for a pure HTTP processor
Henrik: it will be ignored
ChrisF: SOAPAction doesn't make an ignorant target return a SOAP fault
DavidF interrupted and proposed a f2f presentation:
both sides of the issue, all of the viewpoints
John Ibbotson: Microsoft proposed a SOAP header with the "action"
information
MarkN volunteered to do the f2f presentation and a proposal
i100/i99:
Noah: there are number of related things
SOAP has mustUnderstand, a question came about whether you can
safely use
mU to extend SOAP, showed a concrete Glen's counterexample (with an
ordering mU header). SOAP might imply that you have to inspect all
the mU
headers for you before processing them.
Proposal for steps in analysing, see pointer from agenda.
Noah: we need to see all the mU problems _before_ processing anything
this conflicts with streaming
More discussion came and DavidF interrupted to say that the question
to be
decided on the call is whether or not to accept Noah's framework for
answering the question
DavidF proposes: let's go with these steps into the f2f; nobody
objected
i19:
Infosetting-the-spec, WG expressed interest and discussion will be put
on the f2f agenda
7. Agenda item 7: Draft f2f agenda
DavidF: we will start discussion of issues with the most advanced
issues
We might want to break up into smaller groups
Next publication must be a technical specification
Schedule might be set from the end to the present day
We might have to make some hard decisions (cutting issues)
Everybody should read the current SOAP/XMLP spec and generate
clarification issues
Presentations on issues 11 and 13 go to Mark Nottingham
12 to Stuart Williams
14 and 66 to Martin Gudgin
No questions nor comments on draft f2f agenda
end of telcon