Minutes for the W3C XML Protocol Working Group Wednesday, 3 January, 2001, noon PST, duration 90 minutes.
Active Data Exchange Richard Martin Allaire Glen Daniels AT&T Mark Jones Bowstreet Alex Ceponkus Calico Commerce Rekha Nagarajan Canon Herve Ruellan Cisco Krishna Sankar Compaq Kevin Perkins DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech Mario Jeckle Data Research Associates Mark Needleman DataChannel Brian Eisenberg DevelopMentor Martin Gudgin Fujitsu Software Corporation Kazunori Iwasa Engenia Software Jeffrey Kay Engenia Software Eric Jenkins Group 8760 Dick Brooks Hewlett Packard David Ezell Hewlett Packard Stuart Williams IBM David Fallside IBM John Ibbotson Informix Software Soumitro Tagore Intel Randy Hall IONA Technologies Oisin Hurley Jamcracker David Orchard Library of Congress Ray Denenberg Microsoft Corporation Henrik Nielsen Netscape Vidur Apparao Netscape Ray Whitmer OMG Henry Lowe Oracle David Clay Oracle Jim Trezzo Progress Software Andrew Eisenberg Rogue Wave Murali Janakiraman SAP AG Volker Wiechers Software AG Michael Champion Sun Microsystems Ed Mooney Sun Microsystems Mark Baker Tibco Frank DeRose Unisys Lynne Thompson Unisys Nick Smilonich W3C Yves Lafon W3C Hugo Haas WebMethods Randy Waldrop Xerox Bill Anderson Xerox Tom Breuel XMLSolutions Kevin Mitchel
Active Data Exchange Eric Fedok Allaire Simeon Simeonov Bowstreet James Tauber Canon Jean-Jacques Moreau Compaq Yin-Leng Husband DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech Andreas Riegg DataChannel Yan Xu DevelopMentor Don Box Fujitsu Software Corporation Masahiko Narita IBM Fransisco Cubera Informix Software Charles Campbell IONA Technologies Eric Newcomer Library of Congress Rich Greenfield Microsoft Corporation Paul Cotton Progress Software David Cleary Rogue Wave Patrick Thompson SAP AG Gerd Hoelzing Software AG Dietmar Gaertner XMLSolutions John Evdemon
Akamai Technologies Mark Nottingham Philips Research Yasser alSafadi Philips Research Amr Yassin Mitre Marwan Sabbouh Mitre Paul Denning
Absent without explanation
Commerce One David Burdett Commerce One Murray Maloney Epicentric Bjoern Heckel Epicentric Dean Moses Lotus Development Noah Mendelsohn NCR Vilhelm Rosenqvist NCR Lew Shannon Vitria Technology Inc. Waqar Sadiq Vitria Technology Inc. Richard Koo
- Scribe for Action Items -
- Scribe for Minutes - Randy Hall
David Fallside proposed that comments/corrections on the merged formal minutes and conversational notes be sent to him by EOB Thursday, 4-Jan-2001. Any requests for removal of items before posting to the xml-dist-app list should be directed to David Fallside by EOB Friday, 5-Jan-2001. The minutes will then be posted to xml-dist-app.
Ed Mooney requested clarification of DS (Draft Scenario) abbreviation in 20-Dec-2000 minutes. Yves Lafon to make the clarification in the minutes which were approved. Minutes for 20-Dec-2000 teleconference can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/0/12/20-pminutes
David Fallside proposed a process for handling comments made against the requirements document working draft:
It suggested that xml-dist-app is already archived so no other action would be necessary
David Fallside: The working group needs a way to capture and cleanly disposition all comments and provide an audit trail for decisions based on comments so the xml-dist-app archive is not sufficient.
A general discussion occurred regarding posting a pointer to the requirements document as well as a request for comment on the following lists:
A suggestion was made that a deadline for comments be set. David Fallside suggested 12-January-2001. Responding to a question from Lynne regarding what the limit should be on the review cycle, David said that the WG is required to publish something new every 3 months so this deadline would give the working group sufficient time to address comments and disposition appropriately.
David Clay asked whether the request for comments included the Draft Scenarios section
David Fallside: Draft Scenarios will be handled separately.
Ed Mooney: Can we send a request for comments to ebXML and IETF. Dick Brooks will send the request to ebXML. Yves Lafon will work with IETF to determine the appropriate audience for the request for comment via an internal mailing list used for communication between W3C and IETF.
Martin Gudgin to post a draft note.
Proposal: Publish a note on xml-dist-app, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org and xml-dev requesting comments on the requirements document with a deadline of 12-January-2001. Proposal was approved and the note will be published on 4-January-2001.
See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Dec/0267.html for proposed wording. Discussion led by David Ezell. There are a number of items that are considered out-of-scope but will exert strong influence over design. Concern was expressed by several that the last section of proposed rewording might prejudice the design. It was also not clear how meeting this requirement as worded could be measured.
Henrik Frystyk Nielsen suggested that this requirement is already covered by the charter.
Ray Denenberg suggested the addition of an enumerated list of features that could be extended with a note indicating that there is no guarantee that the features would be implemented by the XML Protocol working group.
David Fallside proposed taking this requirement and repurposing it as a preamble paragraph. David Ezell will reword this as a preamble paragraph by EOB Monday, 8-January-2001.
See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Dec/0266.html for proposed wording. Discussion led by David Ezell who noted that this has become a direct support statement for memory or resource-constrained devices. Concern was expressed that the use of the XHTML example may imply modularization in XP rather than around XP. It was also noted that the definition of "XML processing environment" is not clear and means different things to different people.
David Fallside proposed a simplification of this draft requirement by changing the wording to the following:
"XML Protocol should support applications which will work on resource constrained devices."
Proposal passed. David Ezell to provide wording and will submit revision by EOB 3-January-2001.
David Fallside noted that due to shortage of time, it would not be possible to adequately cover the discussion of use cases. He suggested deferring this item to a future meeting and that the group use remaining time to discuss handling new versions of the requirements working draft. The agenda change was accepted.
It was suggested that we need a way to manage revisions to the working draft. Working from multiple versions will create problems for discussions on xml-dist-app. David Fallside will work with W3C to develop a proposal for handling this.
Randy Hall noted that the current teleconference schedule runs through January 17 and suggested we schedule 10 additional teleconferences. Randy will take care of scheduling and send logistics to Hugo and Yves.
David Fallside mentioned that there are 100 places reserved for the W3C Plenary. Given the size of XP, this constitutes 48% of available slots. He suggested that those who would like to attend the plenary register sooner rather than later. Ray asked how important the plenary meeting was, estimate from David was medium to high level of importance because it's useful to understand what's going on in other groups.
Meeting concluded at 1:30pm PST.