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Minutes for the 11/15 and 11/29 meetings were approved as submitted.
Modifications to public record of 11/15 and 11/29 meeting minutes:
Text of requirements 608, 609 and 612 was agreed upon
"The XML Protocol binding mechanism should not preclude the possibility of constructing bindings to protocols that provide a security mechanism."
"Typical examples of such protocols are SSL providing a secure channel,and S/MIME which provides a secure wrapper. It should be possible to specify XP bindings for such security protocols."
Discussion centered around "must" vs "should" in requirement, which passed, and including SSL and S/MIME in requirements rather than context portion, which did not.
"The XP specification may mandate the use of a specific character encoding, such as UTF-8, at some point in the future."
"The Working Group is aware of the complexity resulting in the use of a large set of character encodings and is actively seeking feedback in this area. Until all the feedback has been evaluated, the Working Group will not make a decision in favor of restriction."
Discussion centered around whether this should be a requirement at all, since this would be more restrictive than XML. However, it was felt that this was a weak enough requirement that it would not preclude future actions by the Working Group.
"The XP specification must provide a normative description of the default binding of XP to HTTP. This binding, while normative, is not to be exclusive. The binding provided by the Working Group will respect the semantics of HTTP and will demonstrate that it can co-exist with existing HTTP/1.0 and HTTP/1.1 implementations."
In the discussion of DR 612, several members felt strongly that a default binding to a second protocol was also necessary in order to prove the protocol independence of XP. One member felt that a binding specifically to SMTP was of interest. While agreeing that it was a good idea, other members questioned whether there was enough time to do a second mapping.
It was decided to approve DR612 as written and evaluate resource availability to work on a second protocol at a future date.
Last Thursday, comments were put up on web site (see http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xp-reqs-02-comments.xml). These include the editor's comment on changes as to whether they result in a) no change, b) minor or syntactic change, c) major changes, or d) a completely different requirement. Each requirement has a set of links to comments.
A discussion ensued on how to view the requirements document as amended by the changes. It was decided to produce a third version of the document by applying the comments document to the second version. This will be produced by end of day on December 6.
Discussion on whether the December 18th W3C publication deadline could be met. Decision was deferred.
Answer to David Ezell question - Three updated simplicity requirements should be included from annotations.
Due to the holidays, there will be no telecon on December 27th.
Registration for Redmond f2f closes at midnight on December 6.